“Something in me always wants the truth more than it wants to belong.”
— Dr. Gabor Maté
In a world hell-bent on delusion, few people speak with the clarity of conviction like Dr. Gabor Maté.
When I sat down with him for the latest episode of my podcast Out Loud, I was expecting wisdom. But what he offered was more than that. It was a moral reckoning—the kind that makes you feel less alone in your rage, and more convicted in your humanity.
We talked about Gaza, about genocide, about the suffocating silence of liberal elites. But more than anything, we talked about what it means to keep your soul intact in a world that rewards cruelty—and calls it civilization.
Dr. Gabor Maté’s survived the Holocaust as an infant. His grandparents were murdered in Auschwitz. So when he made the unbearable, undeniable connection:
“What Israel is doing in Gaza is energetically almost identical to what the Nazis did”
When Gabor said that, I felt the air leave my lungs.
Because what can you say when a Holocaust survivor tells you: This is not just similar — it’s the same playbook.
Dr. Maté did not mince words. Zionism is not simply the result of Jewish pain; It is the weaponization of that pain.
“Israel had to be a colonial enterprise… You couldn’t possibly establish a Jewish state in Palestine without coming in with the force of Empire. So yes, trauma provides an emotional coloring — but at the core, this is a classical colonial situation.”
Dr. Maté is often asked about trauma—it is his life’s work. But he warns against the temptation to use trauma as an excuse for brutality. Zionism, he says, does not simply emerge from Jewish suffering. It weaponizes that suffering to justify domination.
And what is more disturbing is this admittance: “We are the aggressors and we will do the same thing in their place,” a Zionist once told him. They did not bother with euphemisms about ‘self-defense’ or ‘moral armies.’ They knew what this required—and they did it anyway.
And like all colonial projects, it required dehumanization.
“To dominate, you must dehumanize,” Gabor told me. “But in the process, you lose your own humanity.”
This is the heart of the moral decay we are witnessing in Gaza, and across all colonial systems. What is happening in Palestine is not an aberration. It is the logical result of a project that was always about erasure.
And still — Western leaders call it ‘self-defense.’
Still — Western media try to justify it, deflect, obfuscate and look away.
Still — the same states that say “Never Again” sell the weapons and write the checks.
In Germany and France, people like Gabor are vilified. In Britain, Palestine Action is labeled a terror group for spray painting weapons factories.
During our podcast recording, the news broke that the US had sanctioned UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese on Palestine simply for doing her job, for saying what every credible legal expert now confirms: Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians.
Gabor vehemently defended Francesca, calling her “an avatar of truth” and told me the most dangerous part isn’t just the killing. It’s the erasure. The intellectual collapse. The silence.
The energetic echo between those moments is haunting. And yet, people still ask: Is it really genocide?
“I was hesitant to use the word,” he said, “but international legal scholars—Jewish, Israeli—have confirmed it. By definition, Israel’s actions meet the threshold.”
In a time when it feels like everything is crumbling—law, institutions, even language itself—Dr. Maté doesn’t point to courts or governments for hope.
“Hope isn’t in the systems. It’s in human beings. Something in me always wants the truth more than it wants to belong"”
That line still echoes in my head. Because in a world of lies, truth costs everything.
But what if we’re being called to pay that cost—not just to save Gaza, but to save ourselves?
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I watched my son Ahmad working relentlessly to prepare the recording, to offer a comprehensive views of Gabor and to be as probing the very difficult subject of our times . For over a week he was working hard to ensure the final product is accurate, pertinent and comprehensive.
FANTASTIC Interview and Gabor Maté is an invaluable voice in this movement. Thank you for this Ahmed!